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- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 13:30:18 PST
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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #180
- To: Info-Hams
-
-
- Info-Hams Digest Sat, 19 Feb 94 Volume 94 : Issue 180
-
- Today's Topics:
- 20m QRP Xcvr kits. Recommendations?
- AMSAT PBBS UPDATE
- FT530 dtmf decoding
- Good car choice for mobile (Honda Accord??)
- Jeff Gold
- Keyboards at testing sessions
- Looking for Sigma Design Associates...
- Nude amateur radio clubs
- Policy and Procedure in Bahama Islands ..
- RAMSEY FX TRANSCEIVER (2 msgs)
- Tone Burst Whistle?
-
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- policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:32:24 GMT
- From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!ntuix!ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg!asirene@ames.arpa
- Subject: 20m QRP Xcvr kits. Recommendations?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Hi,
-
- I am looking to buy a 20 meter QRP kit. Can anyone recommend any good
- tranceiver kits? Does the kit have VXO? VFO? synthesized etc etc. Cost.
-
- Tks.
-
- 73 de 9V Daniel
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 19 Feb 94 15:46:22 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: AMSAT PBBS UPDATE
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- 0 S~& @-#Y1~.&*jJ
- > ETransfer aborted by remote R
- SB PBBS@AMSAT $ART010
- AMSAT PBBS UPDATE
-
- PLEASE READ THE UPDATE MESSAGE. THE FAMSAT PBBS WILL NOW ALSO BE ON PACTOR.
- WT0N-3 WILL BE ON 10.127 LBS (30 METERS) MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY
- FROM 1600 UTC UNTIL 23OO UTC . THIS STATION WILL CARRY ALL AMSAT
- BULLETINS AND KEPS. IT WILL ALSO CARRY OTHER SATELLITE RELATED
- ITEMS SUCH AS "SPACENEWS". THIS PBBS WILL BE SET UP ON 300 BAUD
- HF PACKET, BUT IT WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE FOR AMTOR OR PACTOR
- OPERATIONS IF THERE IS A NEED TO DO SO. AT THIS TIME, THE PBBS WILL BE
- SET UP AS AN EXPERIMENT AND ANY COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS SHOULD
- BE SENT TO THE SYSOP, BJ ARTS WT0N, AT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING
-
- PACKET:WT0N@WB0GDB.#STP.MN.USA.NOAM
- INTERNET:BJARTS@STTHOMAS.EDU
- HF PACKET: WT0N-3 (ON 30 METERS)
- HF PACTOR: WT0N
-
- THE STATION IS LOCATED IN ST.PAUL, MN.USA. AGAIN PLEASE FEEL
- FREE TO SEND SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MAKE THIS PBBS BETTER FOR THE
- AMSAT USER.
- **** 2/19/94 UPDATE TO AMSAT HF BBS OPERATION ****
- FROM 23:30 UTC UNTIL 04:00 UTC WT0N WILL OPERATE HF PACTOR
- UNDER THE CALL OF WT0N. THE FREQUENCY WILL REMAIN THE SAME AS THE HF
- PACKET OPERATION 10.127 MHz.
- SCHEDULE: AS OF 2/19/94
- ********************************************************************
- FREQUENCY: 10.127 MHz LSB
- HF PACKET: 16:00 UTC UNTIL 23:00 UTC MONDAY THRU sATURDAY
- VHF PACKET: ALL DAY ON 145.05 MHz IN ST.PAUL,MN.USA
- HF PACTOR: 23:30 UNTIL 04:00 OF THE FOLLOWING DAY.
-
- THANKS FOR THE MANY COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR THE HF PBBS.
- 73 AND THANKS FOR YOUR TIME de BJ WT0N
-
- /EX
-
-
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 19 Feb 94 19:35:50 GMT
- From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!metropolis.gis.iastate.edu!willmore@ames.arpa
- Subject: FT530 dtmf decoding
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- mladair@mtu.edu (Matthew "Phantom" Adair) writes:
- >Found this on the net quite a while back and havn't seen it
- >since, so I thought people might be interested.
-
- >Don't blame me if it doesn't work. I don't even own a 530.
- >(Wich I did tho!)
-
- >DTMF Decoding
-
- >A nifty little "feature" that isn't mentioned in the manual.
- >Steps to follow:
- >1) tune to the freq you want to monitor and turn on the code squelch
- >2) press Function-Page(Code) to select a code memory
- >3) dial up to memory #7
- >4) watch the dtmf's scroll by as they are heard by the radio!
-
- Sorry, but it's in the manual. :) IMHO, the manual is very poor, but,
- from the Icom manuals I have seen, well above par for the course.
-
- Cheers,
- David
- --
- ___________________________________________________________________________
- willmore@iastate.edu | "Death before dishonor" | "Better dead than greek" |
- David Willmore | "Ever noticed how much they look like orchids? Lovely!" |
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:55:01
- From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ukma!mont!mizzou1.missouri.edu!phybs@ames.arpa
- Subject: Good car choice for mobile (Honda Accord??)
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <markehCLFyo1.EtI@netcom.com> markeh@netcom.com (Mark Helfen) writes:
- >From: markeh@netcom.com (Mark Helfen)
- >Subject: Good car choice for mobile (Honda Accord??)
- >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 22:33:28 GMT
-
-
-
- >-- Can you reccomend another car (similar size/price/quality), recent/new
- >model, where you have had success with an install, and didn't fry the
- >ignition computer, etc...
-
- I drive an '87 Jetta that has a handy cave beneath the climate controls and
- ash tray. I have a scanner, CB and when I get my amateur lic, it has enough
- room left for a small 2m rig. I have looked at the 94 Jetta's and found that
- they still have the "cave." Routing power and cables is pretty
- straightforward and out of site.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 14:59:22 GMT
- From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!@
- Subject: Jeff Gold
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- "Well I will say it flat out:" Jeff Gold "is a liar. I caught him at it
- first hand and won't" read any more of his magazine articles. Everything
- in quotes is from Jeff's posting to the subject of John Ramsey.
-
- In the first paragraph of his recent magazine article he tells us that
- there is something "magical" about ham radio. That's a lie, Jeff. It is
- all simple physics.
-
- He also says that every one of the radios he built has given him pleasure.
- Then in his Internet posting he talks about getting mad, experiencing
- difficulties, and problems with the FTR-146. One of those statements is a
- lie.
-
- Don't anybody bother responding to this ridiculous posting... just wanted
- Jeff to see what it's like to be treated the way he treats others.
-
- The Magical Devil made me do it. Cecil, kg7bk@indirect.com
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 16:06:52 -0500
- From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!news.oc.com!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!cunyvm!rohvm1!rohvm1.mah48d@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Keyboards at testing sessions
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <2jtorv$6fv@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, ham@wam.umd.edu (Scott
- Richard Rosenfeld) wrote:
-
- > Patrick Tatro <patrick_tatro@stortek.com> wrote:
- > >
- > >Would the VEC's kick me out if I brought a laptop to a code test session or
- > >should I wait until my paper speed catches up to my keyboard speed?
- >
- > While I wouldn't kick you out, I don't know how others would feel. In my
- > opinion, how you transcribe your code is your business, not anyone else's.
- > If you have to have a laptop there to copy, so be it. But you'd better be
- > able to show me the difference between an AR, SK, BT, and DN prosign.
- > Obviously, BT would be like "--" and DN would be "/". But how about SK
- > and AR?
-
- Not sure whether my previous reply on this subject made it into the system,
- but as another VE, I wouldn't kick you out either. Our VE team wants to
- know whether you can copy Morse (yourself), and _how_ you do it is pretty
- much up to you. We don't have a computer at the exam session, so anybody
- wanting to use one would have to bring their own...if you wanna engrave it
- on stone, bring your own rock.
-
- We're accommodating for handicaps and for personal preferences in taking
- the test, but we do expect you to copy it; that's one of the reasons we use
- the fill-in-the-blanks code test rather than the "multiple guess" version.
-
- Actually, in most cases an examinee can pass the exam without having to
- distinguish among AR, SK, BT and DN, both on the written test and for the
- one-minute solid copy. And I'd accept a typed "AR" or "SK" (that's what I
- write when I'm copying code myself).
-
- --
- 73 de John Taylor W3ZID
- rohvm1.mah48d@rohmhaas.com
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 14:33:05 GMT
- From: swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplextra!hpscit!rogerm@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Looking for Sigma Design Associates...
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- There is a Sigma Design Comapny in Fremont, California. Don't know if this
- is the same one you are looking for. Try directory assistance for Fremont, CA.
- I believe the area code is (510).
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 18 Feb 94 19:22:18 GMT
- From: news.tek.com!tekig7!gaulandm@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Nude amateur radio clubs
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <1994Feb18.123827.1@apollo.robins.af.mil> woodj@apollo.robins.af.mil writes:
- >Don't forget about the name tags. I reckon it would be a real boon for
- >the double-sided tape manufacturers.
- >
- > Jim Wood
-
- Name tags? I thought Real Hams had their calls tattooed on?
-
- --
- Michael A. Gauland gaulandm@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM
- AA7JF (503) 627-5067
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 18 Feb 1994 16:46:32 GMT
- From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!eng.ufl.edu!clas.ufl.edu!ufnet.ufl.edu!sonny@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Policy and Procedure in Bahama Islands ..
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Dear Newsgroup,
-
- I am a scientist at the University of Florida and also a ham operator.
- I anticipate being in the Bahama Islands (Eleuthra) for several months
- this summer on a research sabbatical.
-
- I would really appreciate direct communication with another amateur
- in the Bahamas, or any information on the policy, practice, and procedure
- of taking and operating my radio equipment in this country.
-
- Any info on packet any freq in the area would be doubly appreciated ..
-
- Thanks in advance .. Sonny .. sonny@ufnet.ufl.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 18:01:34 GMT
- From: news.bu.edu!att-in!cbnewsc!k9jma@purdue.edu
- Subject: RAMSEY FX TRANSCEIVER
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <CLEFKx.91K@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> alanb@sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes:
- >David Stockton (dstock@hpqmoca.sqf.hp.com) wrote:
- >: Here in Britain, there are no required specs for spurious outputs,
- >: we're held responsible for any problems due to any at any level. I know
- >: that the US FCC has put actual numbers on required performance (sounds
- >: like an improvement on our requirements, to me). So, just from personal
- >: curiosity, what are the consequences to an amateur who puts a radio on
- >: the air that does not meet the FCC specs ?
- >
- >As a practical matter, the FCC would likely never find out unless you
- >had an interference complaint, and probably not even then. In the
- >unlikely event that FCC came to your shack with a power attenuator
- >and spectrum analyzer and found your rig out of spec, you would
- >receive a notice of violation with the requirement to correct
- >the illegal condition and respond in writing within XX days.
- >
- >In the case of interference, you would probably also be ordered
- >off the air until the problem was fixed.
- >
- >AL N1AL
-
- I think the important lesson to be learned from recent enforcement actions
- is that this model doesn't apply any more. This is an accurate statement
- of previous policy and practice, but not of the current practice. There
- will, in general, be no warning or prior notice, as mentioned here, to
- secure compliance. The first communication from the FCC will probably be
- the notice of apparent liability for monetary forfeiture (~$2K to ~$8K).
-
- It seems fairly clear from the packet radio message content case and this
- recent case of the spur from the repeater that the emphasis has shifted
- away from securing compliance through education and guidance. The new
- emphasis is on enforcement through punishment and collection of
- fines^H^H^H^Hmonetary forfeitures.
-
- The equipment owner and/or operator cannot rely on the certification of the
- manufacturer that the equipment would meet any requirement when operating
- properly to protect against being found liable for monetary forfeiture in
- the event of malfunction. The practical course is to undertake frequent,
- if not continuous, monitoring with the best spectrum analysis equipment
- available to see that all emissions actually are below current
- requirements. This is operationally the same requirement mentioned in the
- post from the UK - that there be no spurious emissions in operation.
-
- The manufacturers' certification is _also_ necessary, and it is a separate
- violation for it to be lacking.
- --
- Ed Schaefer K9JMA ham radio N97178 aviation
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 15:22:22 GMT
- From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!udel!news.sprintlink.net!direct!kg7bk@@
- Subject: RAMSEY FX TRANSCEIVER
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Alan Bloom (alanb@sr.hp.com) wrote:
-
- : As a practical matter, the FCC would likely never find out unless you
- : had an interference complaint, and probably not even then. AL N1AL
-
- When I was in college, I had a Heathkit am/cw transmitter and vfo that
- was all mode... AM and FM at the same time. I used it for years and the
- only complaints I got was from fellow hams. Found out later that it was
- illegal.
-
- I doubt that the difference between spurious emissions of -50db and
- -48db can even be detected by monitoring the radiated signal. If my
- math is right, for a 5 watt fundamental signal from the FX-146, that
- -50db to -48db difference is 0.00003 watt. It's not in the same league
- as a kw on 11m. It's more like driving 57 mph.
-
- 73, Cecil, kg7bk@indirect.com
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 13:08:08 +0000
- From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!llondel.demon.co.uk!dave@ames.arpa
- Subject: Tone Burst Whistle?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <T95sHc5w165w@stat.com> david@stat.com (David Dodell) writes:
- >I have an ICOM 24AT which I would like to use with tone burst. Is there
- >a way to do this easily?
- >
- If all you want is a 1750Hz toneburst then try whistling yourself..... saves
- having to fiddle with extra buttons and it proves your TX audio works if you
- bring the repeater up. With practice it is very easy to bring up most UK
- repeaters with a whistle - or are US ones harder to access (not including
- trying to whistle DTMF or other wierd tones!)
-
- Dave
- --
-
- *****************************************************************************
- * G4WRW @ GB7WRW.#41.GBR.EU AX25 * Start at the beginning. Go on *
- * dave@llondel.demon.co.uk Internet * until the end. Then stop. *
- * g4wrw@g4wrw.ampr.org Amprnet * (the king to the white rabbit) *
- *****************************************************************************
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 18 Feb 1994 16:06:44 GMT
- From: news.bu.edu!olivea!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!abyss.West.Sun.COM!pongo!myers@purdue.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <x8yqthx.jramsey@delphi.com>, <2jqu8k$96m@news.acns.nwu.edu>, <n1istCLEJFt.E7C@netcom.com>asa.go
- Subject : Ramsey mod list? (was Re: RAMSEY FX TRANSCEIVER
-
- In article <n1istCLEJFt.E7C@netcom.com> n1ist@netcom.com (Michael L. Ardai) writes:
- >In article <2jqu8k$96m@news.acns.nwu.edu> rdewan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rajiv Dewan) writes:
- >-In article <x8yqthx.jramsey@delphi.com>, <jramsey@delphi.com> wrote:
- >->ARRL couldn't get their kit to work! So we sent them an assembled unit.
- >-I do not know how you read this, but to me it looks like bad news for
- >-buildability of Ramsey Kits. And now imagine an average John Q. Ham
- >-with a 200 watt soldering gun and acid core solder. :)
- >
- >Apparantly, Ramsey will be losing the 2 meter kit business very soon. Ten Tec
- >has a 2M kit for $195 (available in May) that not only includes a 5 watt 2M
- >radio, expandable to 35W on the board and the case, but a *complete*
- >micro-driven front panel with frequency readout, memories, and a tuning knob in
- >5kc clicks. No more diodes, and only $20 more than Ramsey ($150 for the radio
- >and $25 for the 'optional' case.
- >
- >Why do I feel that Ten Tec is more likely to make kits that will work, meet
- >FCC spec, and not thump when the squelch closes?
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- It is actually more like a sharp click; even with the volume turned
- down it is quite loud. I've heard a rumor that Ramsey has a fix for
- this; possibly Ramsey would like to post a list of mods and fixes
- to rec.radio.amateur.homebrew, or put the list (and the actual
- mod files?) on an ftp server somewhere. This would save the
- Internet folks the cost of a phone call to New York...
-
- --
- * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD 466 | Views expressed here are *
- * (310) 348-6043 | mine and do not necessarily *
- * Dana.Myers@West.Sun.Com | reflect those of my employer *
- * This Extra supports the abolition of the 13 and 20 WPM tests *
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 19 Feb 1994 11:19:32 -0800
- From: sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!apple.com!apple.com!not-for-mail@ames.arpa
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <CLAFwp.J8C@cup.hp.com>, <CLE8Ix.18x@stortek.com>, <761625307snx@llondel.demon.co.uk>il
- Subject : Re: Nude QSL cards
-
- dave@llondel.demon.co.uk (David Hough) writes:
-
- >The subject brings a whole new dimension to the phrase 'Have you got all my
- >details' as heard in contests :-)
-
- >I bet the cards aren't as bad as some of the SSTV pictures often emanating
- >from Italy.......
-
-
- SSTV? It happens even on RTTY. Just this morning, I tuned across
- a W-land RTTY station on 14 MHz sending an "ASCII picture" of some
- digitized Playboy fold-out. At least the person was smart enough
- to use 75 baud instead of the standard 45 baud :-) :-).
-
- Actually, I should have used 8-) instead of :-) .... ..
-
- 73,
-
- Kok Chen, AA6TY kchen@apple.com
- Apple Computer, Inc.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 17:37:37 GMT
- From: swrinde!emory!wa4mei.ping.com!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <x8yqthx.jramsey@delphi.com>, <2jqu8k$96m@news.acns.nwu.edu>, <n1istCLEJFt.E7C@netcom.com>
- Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman)
- Subject : Re: RAMSEY FX TRANSCEIVER
-
- In article <n1istCLEJFt.E7C@netcom.com> n1ist@netcom.com (Michael L. Ardai) writes:
- >
- >Apparantly, Ramsey will be losing the 2 meter kit business very soon. Ten Tec
- >has a 2M kit for $195 (available in May) that not only includes a 5 watt 2M
- >radio, expandable to 35W on the board and the case, but a *complete*
- >micro-driven front panel with frequency readout, memories, and a tuning knob in
- >5kc clicks. No more diodes, and only $20 more than Ramsey ($150 for the radio
- >and $25 for the 'optional' case.
- >
- >Why do I feel that Ten Tec is more likely to make kits that will work, meet
- >FCC spec, and not thump when the squelch closes?
-
- Yaaaay Ten-Tec. I hope they have some at Dayton. I'll give this one a
- try and see how it compares to the Ramsey. Frankly I hope they *don't*
- drive Ramsey out of the business. I hope they drive Ramsey to improve
- the quality of their product. We can't have too many good kits out there.
-
- Gary
-
- --
- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
- Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
- 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
- Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | |
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 19 Feb 1994 17:33:16 GMT
- From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!bigfoot.wustl.edu!cec3!jlw3@ames.arpa
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <CLGG3G.EMB@news.direct.net>, <2k4hh4$4q2@bigfoot.wustl.edu>, <CLGuC1.38v@news.Hawaii.Edu>
- Subject : Re: Jeff Gold
-
- Jeff Herman (jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) wrote:
- : In article <2k4hh4$4q2@bigfoot.wustl.edu> jlw3@cec2.wustl.edu (Jesse L Wei) writes: ..........
- : >the same as the dictionary definition. By the way, my dictionary also has
- : >"4. a mysterious quality of enchantment: e.g. the magic of the distant past."
- : >
- : >I only hope you're arguing (well maybe just contradicting) just for the
- : >sake of doing so. If not, I'd be somewhat doubtful about your eloquence
- : >in public speaking. People, especially writers, tend to use anologies
- : ^^^^^^^^^
-
- : As long as you've got that dictionary open.......
-
-
- : Jeff NH6IL
-
- ha ha. The dictionary was open to m, not a. I don't have a spell
- checker on my account, and don't generally bother to proof.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 15:08:27 GMT
- From: emba-news.uvm.edu!griffin!gdavis@uunet.uu.net
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <2jt93e$ds9@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, <CLC4Dw.10E@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, <2juhv0$h56@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
- Subject : Re: Nude amateur radio clubs
-
- Well, after all is said and done... I still think Americans place too
- much emphasis on visuals. Too bad all of us can't have that perfect BOD
- for you guys and gals to lust after.
-
- I recall, in the seventies, there was a psychology professor ... I think
- at Berekley , who insisted his classes meet in the nude. It had something
- to do with what he called "total honesty". (snicker)
-
- However.. I really don't think the public should equate bare loins with
- sex. I know that nudity is much better accepted in more mature cultures.
- Especially, in Europe. But, then again many Amazon people don't see the
- need for clothes either from a practical or social point of reference.
-
-
- By the way there was a student at Berekley who insisted on going to class
- nude. I understand he was not stopped until a female feminist group
- claimed sexual harrassment.
- I also heard the biggest objection to "the nude guy" was people didn't want
- to sit in a chair after he got up. (perhaps this was a good idea)
- It was Not a good enough reason to throw the "lad" in jail.
- I think he was trying to prove a social point: American's are very
- nervous and inhibited about theirs and other peoples nude bodies.
-
- As far as nude QSLs ... I got the one from Japan a couple of years ago.
- It was quite a conversation piece. Others wanted to work him so perhaps
- the QSL may have generated a pile-up. (sniker)
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- Well, folks get to know your body better.. even those parts called
- privates. Ain't nothin dirty about em... the good lord gave em to you
- to treat with respect, not distain.
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- A would-be bufferew-
- WQ1F
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- " What did you do for fun last summer?"
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- ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
- The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
- palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.-H.L.Mencken
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